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PostSubject: Rhino 700 clutching??   Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:44 pm

I'm new to clutching I've allways had Hondas . And I got a 2013 rhino 700 and its setting on 30 inch interforce tires about to trade for 29.5 ol2s and I have no idea what or how to clutch it and I wanna know what all I need and how much . I need some low end power big time . And mid power is okay and maybe run about 55 or so? Idk someone let me know something and how much ! I've called jbs 3 times and no answer .
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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:08 pm

Welcome to the best place on the Internet for a Yamaha Rhino!

With the right clutch mods, you will completely transform your Rhino. Stock clutching sucks for big tires. Stock clutching and big tires will also destroy the wet clutch in  a short time. 

I think the 29.5" Outlaw 2 is too much tire for a Rhino but that's just me. They weigh too much. My buddy had a set of the 28" OL2 on a Renegade 1000 and sold them. You could feel the power loss big time, even on that Renegade. I much prefer the original Outlaw. But this is a clutch thread and not a tire thread... LoL!!!

The JBS sheave is the best money you can spend on a Rhino. James will be the best person to recommend the weight OD to use for your setup.

I think your top speed desire of 55mph with 29.5" Outlaw 2 is a little optimistic. My Rhino with stock tires and the sheave went from 40mph to 50mph. To get over 50mph, you are going to need to raise the rev limiter. That's no problem. A Dynatek will do that but you just wont have enough power with that much tire... even with the clutch. I'd guess you'd be lucky to hit 45mph with a stock motor and just a sheave running 29.5" OL2.

For comparison, I have a decently built motor (check my sig) and run 30" Bighorns which weigh substantially less. I can hit about 61mph on the GPS with just me in the Rhino before I run out of power.

You are on the right forum to get in touch with James. You might also consider finding a member on here named Banchee6. He knows a lot about mud riding in a Rhino and can help you a lot. He's a good guy. I think he's running 29.5" Terminators with a JBS clutch and a cam.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:12 pm

Welcome, already your getting a taste of the hospitality on this forum,there alkinds of help available.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:26 pm

Thanks and yeah I'm eating to stay with 30s I'm undecided tho lol but I know I've had people say use white spring 16 gr and the hot rod sheave but I have no idea I just want it to have a nice low end maybe lil off a stall and Idc if the mud / high even changes I just hurting bad on low end power lol I know I'm on the right site lol my buddy has a 09 700 with 31 laws and its badder than mine when I was stock lol and he told me James would fix me up lol so I'm just getting some ideas ! Abd maybe some prices on it! Lol
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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:28 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:17 pm

Welcome to the site. JBS sheave will have you spinning them big tires.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:19 pm

Good that's what I want!! What about the weights and springs?
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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:26 pm

James would be the best guy for that question but probably gold spring and 16's I've heard the white spring is bad for wearing your belt out. Might want to thank about slugging your wet clutch also. Helps alot.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:47 pm

What's slugging your wet clutch do?/mean? I never heard that term
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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:02 pm

I think for the mud that you should try purple, gold or white, white is the stiffest ,gold is next and purple is a very versatile spring and good for trails, with the white spring 14-16 gram weights, gold 14-16 and purple I would go with 16-18, all of these are with the JBS sheave, anti friction washers and fresh Ultramatic grease. And all of these suggestions  are my own opinion.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:06 pm

Mudbog144 wrote:
What's slugging your wet clutch do?/mean? I never heard that term
Applies more force by adding small weights to wet clutch shoes inside the drum at a lower RPM, less wear through reduced friction, slipping.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:24 pm

Welcome to the site....

I am probably the only one running heavy tires... So this is what I have and I like my setup..

when I was stock, I ran 16g weights, jbs sheave with gold spring with 29.5 terminators...  top speed was about 36 mph....  I have the cam and msd now and I can run about 46 top end...

you will have major power loss with these big tires...  you will need to do clutch work to get your motor stalled up so you wont break other parts.  I suggest the sheave for sure with 16g weights and a gold spring

If you go with a cam swap and msd, I would drop to 15g weights

I have a video of how mine runs with the terminators.  these machines arnt made to spin those big tires stock..  you can get it going and run good, but 55 is far from where you will be...  I run 52-53 with my 28" radials MTC motos....  and they smooth ride, great for top end.....  Stock tires, I run around 60 tops

with that being said, if you get a dynatech or msd, drop to 15g weights with the gold spring and sheave cause you rev limit will be raised and you can stall the motor up a hair more before it starts to go, plus you will have better reverse power with the lighter weights...

good luck......

Oh, Chris, how you been buddy???  tell you friend with that renegade its a lemon cause we have two here with 29.5 ol2's and 30" silverbacks that will run 68 mph all day long....  I actually don't feel a loss in power from stocks to mud tires,,, just in top end...

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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:53 pm

Wassup Eric!

I'm glad you chimed in here. You are my go-to for hardcore muddin and big tires.
To the OP- what Eric said, all the way.

I ran stock tires and then 27" Radial Outlaws, all with stock motor and a JBS sheave. I had the 16G weights in the primary sheave. Eventually I switched my stock secondary spring for a EPI gold spring. That was a good combo for the Radial Outlaws. It had decent bottom end power. It was actually geared a bit too low for the stock tires as it would hit the rev limiter when accelerating WOT in sand. But with the bigger and heavier tires, it was real nice. That is currently the way another Rhino in our group is set up. He has no problems spinning the tires except in super thich/dry peanut butter mud. Then, all it will spin is about 5-7mph in 4WD Low with the diff locked. But this is like cement. Overall, the 16G weights are good with a gold spring.

That Renegade I mentioned was all stock. I was used to punching the throttle and the nose pointing to the sky. The OL2 tamed that down real quick. It would get the front end light, no doubt. The owner is a nut, however. He couldn't stand any power loss or a single MPH on the top end so he's currently back on stocks... wuss! Haha! He's also the guy who always wants a ride in my Rhino when it's wet or muddy. LoL!

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I'm currently enjoying the characteristics of a slugged wet clutch. I'm not sure if it would be ideal for the OP or not, but I like them. I like the early, solid lockup of the wet clutch and the way they put the power down. Unfortunately, I didn't have a chance to test the slugs when my motor was all stock. I had a cam and throttle body and dual exhaust when I installed them. My concern with the slugs and a stock motor with big tires is that the wet clutch would engage sooner, and it might make the tires actually harder to turn because you are farther out of the power band when the clutch engages. What do you think, Eric?

As I mentioned earlier, I have 30" tires but they are fairly light and I'm not as big into the mud as I was a year or so ago. But James sent me a set of 14G weights. I plan to install them when I service my clutch (which needs to be done soon). The 16G weights are nice but I feels like I need a few more RPM when I'm WOT accelerating. The CVT feels like it's short-shifting a bit. I know I need to experiment a bit to find what works best for my style.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:09 pm

im not all that worried about speed idc if it only goes 35 long as I can pull heavy 30s locked in in a mud hole, cause mine now are 40 lbs each and 31 on a tape measure . if im locked in it wont hardly pull in low in mud. so I think I would like the set up you have banchee6 . but will this tear up or wear any other parts quicker? and is it hard to install ?
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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:25 am

You will tear up parts regardless. Just do what's in your budget by starting with the clutching.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:30 am

Welcome!!..give me a call and we will get you fixed up

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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:07 pm

Okay James sounds good !! Will do I've called 2 times but I'm sure your bussy when's the best time to call?
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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:02 pm

james will definately get you fixed up buddy. i had the same problem as you on my stock 700 with 30 inch silverbacks. BUT all of that is changing as we speak

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PostSubject: Re: Rhino 700 clutching??   Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:54 am

Yeah man mine has lots of power just need it geared lower ! Lol how dose your pull 30 silverbacks?
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